For this episode, we share a candid and generative conversation between Kay and Sarah, shortly after World’s End, Sarah’s farm, hosted a week long group retreat. They share reflections on that experience, and the role of farms in hosting urban visitors.

They touch on the strange idea of owning the land, reflecting on the concept of ownership, and how that has driven World’s End Farm to seek a cooperative model. They discuss the transition from a for-profit farming model to a donations-based approach to growing food, treating farms as powerful spaces for change.

But there is also a balance to be struck: between prioritizing relationships and valuing respite, between the ingrained pleasure response we get from buying things for ourselves and undercurrent of exploitation in most commercial goods. Their conversation stresses nuance, balance, and being kind to ourselves while striving for a more careful relationship with the world.